A judge ruled that Turner's detention was not in the public interest and released her on bail. Miss Manners: I shouldn't call because the phone scares people? Ultimately, the Bagbys desire to be with Zachary, the one they loved the most, required them to cooperate with Turner, the one they despised the most. By the looks of it, the two are still together and happily living their lives as a couple. Murder of Bagby: Shirley Jane Turner: First-degree murder ( died before standing trial) Zachary Andrew Turner (18 July 2002 - 18 August 2003) [2] : 78 was a boy from St. John's, Newfoundland, Canada, who was murdered by his mother, Shirley Jane Turner, in a murder-suicide. MORRISON: The sea at midnight was endless black. It's great. After viewing product detail pages, look here to find an easy way to navigate back to pages you are interested in. It says that Pennsylvania detectives almost immediately focused on Shirley Jane Turner. And if they don't charge her, they had no way to restrict her travel. They both rejected her, and she responded by killing them. I had this overwhelming feeling. Kate and David Bagby knew exactly what they were going to do. and our Mr. BAGBY: Shirley killed Andrew. Father murdered. '", "The murder has dominated our lives," says her husband, David, 63. They have a network of supporters. That they survived such horrible adversity is a testament to their courage, resolve and love. Telegram file photo. KATE: It was shocking, but not a surprise. By this stage, he had moved to a new job in the US. I didn't like her but I didn't think she was capable of murder.". They seemed so real and genuine, and showed more raw emotion than any survivor of a crime I hadn't ever seen before. Just rage. The public declaration all but removed the Bagbys doubts. We decided that on the plane.. put Zachary on her lap to open presents, and he resists. Laudable ambition, difficult to achieve. They would go to Pennsylvania to collect the body and belongings of their only child. Turner grew up in Canada, where she married and divorced two men and had three children who often lived with their fathers and other relatives. Newfoundland to meet the now 11-month-old little boy. MORRISON: The girl was Heather, also an aspiring doctor. Zachary's birth gave the documentary new impetus. We would've done handstands and cartwheels to. I truly commend the Bagby's commitment to exposing (and trying to bring about change) a corrupt judicial system, even in the midst of their tremendous loss. MORRISON: Zachary Andrew Turner, the son of murder victim Andrew, Bagby and his accused killer Shirley Turner, was born on July 18th 2002, eight, months after the young doctor's murder. MORRISON: Andrew was the only child of software engineer David Bagby and his wife, Kate, a nurse practitioner. Its rage with me, he says. As Kate and David talk about their son, you can see the teamwork. But he was accepted here, St. John's, Newfoundland, the easternmost point in North America. For the first time in years, David Bagby and his wife Kate are decorating their home for Christmas. However, the intended audience of the film. "There, is no indication of a psychological disorder that would give concern about, potential harm to the public generally as her crime, while violent, was, specific in nature." Mr. BAGBY: We fret and worried and everything. I always thought life was good until Andrew was killed, Kate says, sitting in her Sunnyvale kitchen. They did everything they could, and more than most would be able to try to find justice for their son, while trying to care for Zachary in the worst possible circumstances. The Turner report says their relationship soon deteriorated. And that little boy. Very, very serious. Dear Zachary: A Letter to a Son about His Father is a 2008 documentary detailing the life and death of one Dr. Andrew Bagby, a resident at a family practice in Latrobe, Pennsylvania. Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) That you aren't trying to take my place. And in the meantime, without that crucial piece of evidence to charge her with Andrew's murder, Shirley Turner quietly left US soil and returned home to Newfoundland. Mackenzie is particularly fond of Survivor, which she has been watching ever since she was born. don't have these meltdowns and emotional scenes. As the months slowly passed, the Bagbys visitation rights were expanded. Instead, the hearings and appeals dragged on for nearly two years. Andrew Bagby was an easygoing man with a wide circle of friends who found it almost impossible to say no to people. She posts with her new love often and is very open about how happy she feels in the relationship. A tragedy that could have been prevented. Woman #9: to make that journey was awful. MORRISON: A couple of hours later, there was another knock at the, Mr. BAGBY: Told us what happened. MORRISON: After you found out about Andrew's death, the impulse just ended. Newfoundland MP Scott Andrews introduced the private member's bill to reform bail provisions. The Bagbys went to the morgue to identify their bodies. MORRISON: Must have seemed like the enemy was in the camp. I was just hoping more from this book, but I can understand it. They were forced to hand Zachary back to Turner and, again, tiptoe around her. Instead, our system considers things like how recent a review is and if the reviewer bought the item on Amazon. There won't be any question about, whether she can hurt him. ago in honor of his beloved friend Andrew, and then for Andrew's son, Zachary. Well, I was hurt in an, accident. The reason we go through the lawyers is so that we. Having watched the documentary about this case, I really needed to read this book. Then, on August 16, six weeks before Turner was to appear in court, the Bagbys went with her and Zachary to a swimming pool. "It was a policeman and he was telling me: 'Your son is dead under suspicious circumstances.' That is not a spoiler, as it is on the back of the book. May give you a new appreciation for being an American. Since then, David has spent time enjoying the single life and reconnecting with some of the guys fromTemptation Island. Two days later, at 5.30am, Turner turned up at his Penntment, sylvania apartment, having driven 16 hours to see him. DNA testing proved he was Andrew Bagbys son. Andrew Bagby broke up with Shirley but she lured him to an isolated location where she shot him 5 times. When Turner arrived in Canada, she moved into an apartment in St. Johns with her college-age son, T.J. Shears. (Photo of David and Kate; airplane; lake and coast), MORRISON: But here's the thing. He was like Andrew. Unidentified Man #21: (Talking in group) I know. MORRISON: Coming up, Andrew dead. David Bagby has written such a poignant account of the sordid happenings and has brought both Andrew and Zachary alive on the pages. The treatments worked a sweet miracle and on Sept. 25, 1973, Andrew David Bagby was born. I didn't have. MORRISON: But then she claimed she couldn't find it. but if we don't get help, we don't know if we're doing what's best. Some days its difficult to get out of bed, Kate, 65, says. Once, she called him 30 times while he was at a pal's wedding. GARDNER: (Audio recording) I understand that. us around. The two also had trust issues they were trying to overcome on Temptation Island,as they had both cheated on their previous partners. The days he and a friend would work on his beloved Celica out in that driveway. Was inspired to read this book after watching the horrifying documentary "Dear Zachary". He'd been shot five times, including once in the back of the head, execution style. quiet. They raised a wonderful, Unidentified Man #26: Thanks for bringing such a wonderful person. Was she lying? And that's when it all hit the fan, I guess. And we were going to be his savior.. But after a year of trying unsuccessfully to have a baby, Kate started using fertility drugs. Unidentified Woman #10: (Kate holding Zachary) Zachary. By accepting all cookies, you agree to our use of cookies to deliver and maintain our services and site, improve the quality of Reddit, personalize Reddit content and advertising, and measure the effectiveness of advertising. In the wake of the shocking turn of events, Andrew's father, David Bagby, wrote a true crime memoir that is described as "a eulogy for a dead son, an elegy for lives cut tragically short, and a castigation of a broken system.". What do you want it Mr. BAGBY: Very seriously. The Bagbys were 4,500 miles from home. I suggest you keep any heavy items out of reach because you will want to throw them at the television screen & a box of tissues because you will need them. Even after the reunion episode, where more information emerged about David's multiple hookups both on the show and afterward, Kate stuck by her man. The book is not written as a narrative, with suspense building until we find out what eventually takes place. And he's like, `I'm not looking for anything serious. But he was moved to honor his friend the best way he knew how, by making a film. MORRISON: It was almost two years after Andrew Bagby's murder, when Shirley Turner's eldest son T.J. drove home to his girlfriend after an. Defo a good read. He'd been shot five times, including in the back of the head. Snow. I dont know.. Shirley and Zachary, then 13 months old, had been staying with the couple. He is campaigning to change Canadian bail law so no one charged with murder is allowed to walk the streets like Shirley Turner. A court mandate allowed David and Kate Bagby to spend time, with their grandson, babysitting, even sharing in joint activities with. Maybe the last time you talked to Shirley there was some very subtle change in tone. you have anywhere to put that, or that Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) Not yet. I kind of. Elsewhere in St. Johns, T.J. Shears, who first reported his mother and Zachary missing, was suffering his own devastation. KATE: I had a great childhood. Then, upon. I thought it was just going to chronicle a murdered man's life, for his son to reflect back on when he was older - because his father was killed before he was born. Serious crime is rare in this country. Easy duty. By Zacharys birthday in July 2003, Turners fight against extradition had suffered another blow. KATE: You were always afraid that she was going to find something. Tragically, Shirley kills Zachary in a murder-suicide. He didnt know what to make of it then. a--with a hand grenade in the kitchen with the pin already pulled. to reconsider getting some help with that. It soon became apparent who was responsible. He said, `The psychotic bitch. See rank. Since this was written by the first victim's father, little to no backstory was provided for the accused murderer. (Photo of Andrew; cell phone towers; photo of Shirley; maps; suburban street; photo of house; newspaper clipping; photo of Shirley; maps; cell phone tower; Shirley in court; court documents; flashing police lights; American flag. The 10 most expensive reported home sales in Hayward the week of Feb. 20, Four take plea deals in wild Brentwood homicide where victim suspects shot each other, Feds charge two with robbing two San Francisco banks during the same day, One dead, another wounded in Oakland shooting. (Kate and Zachary; judge in court; Shirley being escorted from court), Mr. KUENNE: I don't know. While watching the few minutes of the show, I could not believe that what the woman in the 'story' had done (at the end of the show/book) (and don't want to give away the ending here). (David speaking to reporters; Kate speaking to reporters; David on radio show; "Dear Zachary" poster; Kurt editing video; photo of Andrew; photo of Zachary; Mr. KUENNE: I almost gave up making this film when you were, killed. Mr. BAGBY: Oh, yeah. She fled to Newfoundland a week after Andrews murder and vowed to fight extradition. And now a vindictive stalker had killed him shot him again and again until the gun wouldnt shoot any more and left him to die in the November cold of a remote parking lot near Latrobe. For fans of true crime, this is the perfect book for you. (Photo of Shirley; "Canada" on building; T.J. Shears walking), Mr. T.J. SHEARS: My mom was just like, `Oh, hey.' show takes four couples who are having trouble. Then, 8.5 months after Andrew Bagby was murdered - July 18, 2002 - Turner gave birth to a boy, who she named Zachary Turner. More than all that, the Bagbys tale is about two people who endured one personal tragedy, which was compounded in harrowing ways that would surely crush most of us. Mr. BAGBY: She told the court she was afraid we would harm the baby. Mr. BAGBY: By this time we're pretty damn sure she's complete. Dance with the Devil is a eulogy for a dead son, an elegy for lives cut tragically short, and a castigation of a broken system. His wife and himself also were quick to not harvest bitterness towards Turner's children,relatives,etc. And we came back. Feb 15, 2022 kate and david bagby still alive. For David, of course, there is the book, but there is also the caldron of emotion that refuses to let him rest until hes sure hes done all he can to prevent others from going through what he and Kate have endured. It was part of a pattern summarized in the Canadian governments investigative report: Dr. Shirley's message of "Mommy loves you" to Zachary is replayed following, Shirley Turner not only never sees justice for Andrew's murder, but by. HEATHER: You are the most amazing, strongest people I've ever. How could they let an accused murderer walk free? The project took a tragic turn and became a catalyst for legal change when Zachary didn't live to see it. In the beginning, Kate did not pursue any romantic relationshipswith the single menin the house, but David almost immediately started flirting with the single women. (Talking in group) This is not about money. David was taking pictures, Kate says. Except he picked up as this reporter was leaving a voicemail explaining the call from Newfoundland to Sunnyvale, Calif. One day he walked into the electronics shop where David worked. MORRISON: It was August 2003, the wee hours of the morning by the ocean. I can understand that. She was deranged. There is only so much that Kurt could fit in an hour and a half and I learned so much more by reading things from David's own words. MORRISON: And tell me about your mum with Zachary. Do you feel all right about putting, MORRISON: Safe and warm inside the Bagby house, as the gales of a, Newfoundland winter raged outside, the inevitable happened. MORRISON: But Shirley would make it tough for Andrew to do that. to live with his father in a tiny coastal village hundreds of miles away. Now, she sucked us in here, too. If she had her way, we would not have had any visitation at, MORRISON: Coming up, fighting not just to see their grandson, but. After the child was born the clearly mentally-ill mother wrecked havok on the grandparents lives. One credit a month to pick any title from our entire premium selection yours to keep (you'll use your first credit now). My heart goes out to Mr. and Mrs. Bagby. Here the grandparents are making nice with the woman they believe killed their, son. I had two sisters already, so a brother, because now I'd have somebody that I can teach about hockey and, (Shears and Zachary; photo of Shears and Zachary). Turner had mentioned the possibility to David months earlier in a rambling telephone conversation. It is a cry for change in the Canadian justice system that allowed his sons killer to roam free. As the police searched for Turner and Zachary through the day on Aug. 18, Kate and David waited in their apartment with the Rev. I had a job I loved. A man, who would not give police his name, called the Royal Newfoundland Constabulary to report that he had met Turner in a St. Johns bar and that he later had sex with her. A tale of sorrow and survival. She appealed and a hearing was set for September 2003. especially long work day and dropped himself in front of the television. Society as a whole should take the lessons derived from this book and just pray the same tragedy never befalls their own family. Scott Adams faces 'consequence culture' as U.S. newspapers drop Dilbert, Tom Cruise's 'ditching' of Suri showcased by Judd Apatow's 'co-parenting' joke, ex-Scientology exec says. Such memories are happy and hard. Click to share on Facebook (Opens in new window), Click to share on Twitter (Opens in new window), Click to email a link to a friend (Opens in new window), Click to share on Reddit (Opens in new window), Chart: Bay Area rainfall totals for this week, Contact Mike Cassidy at mcassidy@mercurynews.com or (408) 920-5536. No spoilers here for my friends but you must watch this film. Co-workers later said he told Turner their relationship was finished. Shortly after Andrew's death, his friend Kurt Kuenne had started to a make a documentary about the murder, asking friends and family to share their memories of Andrew. The Bagbys couldn't have been happier, particularly since. KATE: And she went over in the corner crying, and I gave him back. As far as Andrew was concerned, the relationship was a fling nothing serious. They quit their jobs and moved from California to Newfoundland. But the Bagbys, who live in San Jose, California, could scarcely imagine what lay in store for them. Beyond all that, they have each other, which has proven to be a force stronger than they ever knew. MORRISON: But then things changed. They sometimes visited with Zachary and Turner as if nothing had happened. But how? MORRISON: In July 2003, a year and eight months after their son's, murder, Andrew's friend, filmmaker Kurt Kuenne, who'd been making the, documentary film for Zachary about the father he'd never know, arrived in. Privacy Policy. KATE: So this man said to me, `Do you know that Shirley Turner's pregnant with your son's child? Some of her earliest memories are watching Survivor with her family and having everyone show off their best Jeff Probst impersonation. Their year-old grandson was killed by his mother in Newfoundland while she was out on bail awaiting an extradition decision. "This was our goal," said Bagby. Afterwards Turner ran off to Canada (she had duel citizenship) before Pennsylvania Cops could arrest her for Dr. Andrew Bagby's brutal murder. Colleagues warned him to go to the police but, instead, after work that day he drove to a car park to meet her. This story is about how the justice system in Canada failed the Bagby's -- not only when it comes to extraditing the murderer of their only son, but in aiding the murder of their only grandchild, Zachary -- their last living link to their son. Why? I'm tired of this. Kate says everything seemed to be going smoothly, until here. Top subscription boxes right to your door, 1996-2023, Amazon.com, Inc. or its affiliates, Learn more how customers reviews work on Amazon. They were living like students, says the Rev. Dear Zachary: A Letter to a Son About His Father (2008) 1 Video. An autopsy report would show that an anti-anxiety drug, prescribed by the very psychiatrist who put up Shirley's bail money had been, mixed into Zachary's formula. Turner was twice divorced and one of her last three noteworthy partners was murdered, another was living in fear of her in Pennsylvania and the third was complaining to police that Dr. Turner had harassed him.. thoughts, his wife sees something that rocks her to the core. Unfortunately, it went out of print and is very expensive to purchase. In January 2003, the Canadian appeals court ordered her freed while the extradition case moved forward. It was time for the Bagbys to join Turner and baby Zachary on outings to the local pool. On Aug. 16, Turner and the Bagbys took Zachary swimming at Bowring Park in St. Johns, Newfoundland. Or by navigating to the user icon in the top right. ', Mr. SIMPSON: And I told him, I said, `You know, Andrew, when I break up with somebody and put them on a plane and send them 1300 miles away,' I said, `They knock on my front door, I'm going out the back door and I'm calling the police.' I said, `When do you think you'll be done?' I just would love to see them enjoy regular life again, too, as much as possible. She woke the baby and carried him up the stairs to her home, David recalls. Thought, you know, `Who would want to kill him?'. the water. Mr. BAGBY: I have a lot of trouble with those things too, and I suspect what really goes on, what's called intuition, is really a very, very complex calculation of lots of little indicators, little things that Andrew said on the phone maybe. David has written a book about the case, Dance with the Devil: A Memoir of Murder and Loss. Theyll find her. The next thing a police constable is at the door., Two bodies have been found on the beach, the officer said. In November 2001, the body of a young doctor named Andrew Bagby was discovered in Keystone State Park outside Latrobe, Pennsylvania, five bullet wounds in his face, chest, buttocks, and the back of the head. The next, hearing in the extradition process was set for September, at which time they. She was born to the late th His medical studies in Newfoundland were complete. Like everyone elses mom, I guess.. Mr. SHEARS: Yeah, I guess it did at the time, but I still didn't have, MORRISON: How difficult must it have been to ingratiate, themselves with their son's suspected killer? Customer Reviews, including Product Star Ratings help customers to learn more about the product and decide whether it is the right product for them. Hed walk a little and then, boom, hed fall down.. At least he might have asleep when she went in. My gut just churned. What they've been doing with their activism is wonderful. True, heartbreaking story of a son's disastrous love relationship and the son his murderer bore. I couldn't see the point anymore. My heart aches for Kate and David Bagby. (David and Kate; photo of Andrew by tape being put into recording device; Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) Are you babysitting? MORRISON: And go she did, back to Newfoundland, Canada. The Bagbys and their grandchild were living in a cramped apartment. But something kept me going, and. In fact, he had made a date with another woman that night. Eventually, David and Kate broke up for good. Man #26: and for having the strength to make it through, Unidentified Man #27: With what you've been through, to still be, carrying on, still to hold your heads up and keep going and pushing forward is, (Kate and David; photo of David and Kate), Unidentified Woman #13: I think God put some people down on Earth, Mr. A. BAGBY: (Wedding video) We're brothers, and I love you. Mr. BAGBY: And part of Andrew's problem was, I think, he was just too nice to say, you know, `Get the hell out of my life. I never really convinced myself that she, could--that she would hurt Zachary. Then you just get used to it.. I don't know how they are still living, but he described their heartbreak and pain so effectively. Now armed with a powerful tool, "Dear Zachary: A Letter, to a Son about his Father," the tribute film Kurt Kuenne started making, first. Snow. We also may change the frequency you receive our emails from us in order to keep you up to date and give you the best relevant information possible. Just like Andrew, you know, happy. Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) Or what about the one of me and Andrew? "He was beautiful," Kate . I think they just poured all of their love and, MORRISON: A week after Kurt's visit, Zachary turned one. She landed a residency at a hospital in Iowa, several states away but still close enough to allow occasional weekends with Andrew in Pennsylvania. of a woman and a baby on the beach, and I lost it again. I'm just curious Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) Yeah, and I wanted to know for safety. Nobody drives 16 hours after you've just broken up with them.' Mommy loves you. Related:Temptation Island: What Happened To Casey & Ashley After Season 2? And he'd be like(turns. Family and friends go to extraordinary lengths to honor a legacy of a young man whose trust led to tragedy. Cpl. Mr. SHEARS: It seemed like it to me, yeah. Apparently it takes years to extradite criminals from Canada back to the USA, and despite being wanted for a vicious murder Dr. Turner was granted bail (unlike in the USA nobody had to put any actual money up to guarantee Turner's release, all she needed to gain her freedom was talk a few friends into signing paperwork, despite being wanted for a brutal murder!) The next day, she got in her car with her gun.. Mrs. Kate Holland Bagby, age 101, of Flowery Branch entered into eternal rest with her Heavenly Father on Tuesday, Oct. 2, 2012, at her residence following a short illness. You know how loved ones you've lost take on sort of a rosy glow in your memories? Each decision is subject to appeal. Six-month-old Zachary was, returned to her. Justice Gail Welsh justified allowing Shirley to walk because there was "no evidence" of Shirley having mental dysfunctions that made her a danger to society. Yes, I went to great lengths to read this book and I'm glad I did! At times, one would pull the other back from the brink. Save 50% on 1 when you buy 2 Shop items. But their efforts to safeguard him weren't enough and they saythat both the justice system and the child welfare system failed them. MORRISON: Andrew's best friend, filmmaker Kurt Kuenne, suddenly, just knew what he had begun as a small film to memorialize his old friend. KATE: (Audio recording) Right. Mr. KURT KUENNE (Director): I decided to go on the road to interview people, because I thought, you know, he's never going to have a wedding. KATE: (Zachary hugging Kate) This is your Uncle Kurt. "She was difficult to get to know," says Kate. However, as events transpired, the focus shifted to the incompetence of the Canadian courts in keeping Turner behind bars, as well as the plight of Bagby's parents, David and Kate, as they battled to get custody of the last remnant of their slain son. Understood? Twelve years older, she became obsessed with him. AN AMAZING BOOK WHICH HONOURS TWO AMAZING LIVES. David can go from nearly shaking in anger when he talks about the murder to almost sobbing in sadness over the memory of his boy. Well, I said, `Bring some beer. So far, nothing has changed - but continuing the legal battle helps give David and Kate the strength to carry on. 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